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This hinders test-time compute scaling that relies on using the value-function for verification. In this work, we propose RL\\(^V\\) that augments any &#8220;value-free&#8221; RL method by jointly training the LLM as both a reasoner and a generative verifier using RL-generated data, adding verification capabilities without significant overhead. Empirically, RL\\(^V\\) boosts MATH accuracy by over 20\\% with parallel sampling and enables \\(8-32\\times\\) efficient test-time compute scaling compared to the base RL method. RL\\(^V\\) also exhibits strong generalization capabilities for both easy-to-hard and out-of-domain tasks. 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